I was a deckhand on the TSS Shleldhall sewage ship that sailed down the Clyde every day Monday to Friday to the tail of the bank, there we discharged the load then made a circle before heading back up home. Even having a "piece" thrown from the window was an adventure would it be "butter"and sugar or Jam what a treat! the 550 tenancies available, only 33 (16%) were identifiably from Govan itself. Used to have a friend called Theresa Moody who died quite young. 199310 Scottish Charity No. Providing activities for member children and young people Providing informal and formal training for family members Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. I am looking for the name of a barbers shop that was on Langlands Road at Helen street end. One thing is clear about Woodinville's Woodin Creek, it is very dog friendly! Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council \"modernised\" it and tried to reintroduce the original name Moorepark but after 40 years of being the Wine Alley most people forgot about or even knew that the Wine Ally was originally called Moorepark and did not approve of the name Moorepark and continued to call it Wine Alley. Three times during my young life I was sent away to residential schools for being undernourished while just before my 14th birthday I was put away in an approved school (in 1963) for a large number of burglaries. Providing a family base with a family room in Govan, with weekly meetings in Govan and Easterhouse Providing consistent, non-judgmental support to families and individuals, and home visits to families in crisis I might have served you in the shop in the early 70s as a teenager. They also discovered in the early days that one gang member was driving about in hired cars. I would like to hear from anybody who knew any of us up until 1981 when my mum and dad left Ibrox to move to Craigton. Bishop King. One flat was chosen in Wine Alley and a second across the road in a collection of tower blocks called Iona Court. He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! The above digital stories were made by members of Govan Reminiscence Group for the Heritage Lottery funded Britain From Above Community Project in Govan, Glasgow, during Spring 2014. Her daughter had a hairdressers just up from St Constantine's, I think, and my Gran got me to go along and help her wash the towels on Saturday night. Robert sadly passed away when he was 2 and then my dad James was born in 1960. Komunitn organizcia. Does anybody recognise the name? Great memories of Summertown Road baths. The Govan ferry was something special for us to go on, either by ourselves or with our mum. When the railway was to be built in the late nineteenth century, however, the confusion over proper descriptions in the land titles made necessary legal transactions difficult and had to be reconciled. This was around 1954ish. Through the ages people have lived in houses, building them according to the climate, topography, the material available, and the social and cultural ideas of the time. Portrait of a Lady by Esme Clark. I am researching my family tree and as both my grandparents died in 1990 and 1993 respectively I can't ask them. Create New Account. By the 1860s, the village needed a higher order of administration and it was made a burgh in 1864, under the General Police (Scotland) Act 1862. I try and tell my grandkids what a fanfastic place it was to grow up, no money but lots of pals and never bored. The following year in 1966, the yard was again reorganised as Fairfields and guaranteed by the government in response. Former. 'The. I really like the big Co-op department store and Woolworths on Langlands Road. approached in flavour to wine. I was born in the Southern General Hospital in 1958 and lived at 23 McGregor Street, Chookiehill [Teucharhill] as it was fondly called then. My grandparents on my mother's side were McElhinneys and attended Plantation Church while my dad's side and myself attending our Lady and St Margaret's Chapel. I have lived in Australia since 1969. It arrived at a house in Liverpool and then left a short time later to head back to Glasgow, arriving about midnight. Our children and grandchildren have been back many times as well. Based on this, Govan's Cumbric language name has been reconstructed as *(G)uovan. In sum, effective participatory urban management calls for a fundamental rethink from all the players involved, from the local authorities and development agencies, through local (and sometimes international) non-governmental organisations, to the community-based organisations themselve; in redefining their roles and relationships, if something is to be done for the benefit of all. I used to go there with my Mum to Woolworths, they had shoe shops and everything you wanted. I remember that when he told me that he had studied at university and that what he was now doing was his job I laughed at his education and his job. 15 Saturday Home, 2005, p. 20 16Vindicated1, 2005, p. 1-2, Acknowledgements My cousin Pat and I were just reminiscing about memories of the Steamie - which I think I was dragged along to, to help Mrs. Mary Devlin, in about 1965? The authorities plan for the scheme started going wrong when they decided (without consulting the locals who lived in Govan) to house it mainly with outsiders or people who came from areas other than Govan. [15], With Morris Pollok as its first Provost, the Burgh and its Commissioners ensured that during the next 48 years Govan became a well-equipped, modern town. British Shipbuilders road to privatisation was not as swift, and the group was sold piece by piece throughout the course of the 1980s. 9/1 Govan is served by community radio station Sunny Govan, broadcasting on 103.5FM to the city of Glasgow and surrounding districts, discussing local issues and providing advice, and with diverse musical output covering soul, hip-hop and reggae. It meant that the police had two key surveillance points, one in Wine Alley itself and a second from the high-rise. No1seems2care. Once the area had gained a bad reputation (through no fault of its own), this was picked up by Govans local newspaper, The Govan Press, who furthered the image in a relentlessly aggressive campaign against the inhabitants until even the authorities began to believe it too. I remember one time, my big brother hiding in the midden under all the ashes, when I went down three stories to empty the fire ashes. I think he lived in Partick and had 2 little girls. I went to St. Margaret's and I remember Susan's shop where she would stand outside to see where people where buying their messages from. With its bad name, many people from Moorepark could not get jobs while those that could often disguised their addresses and, if they a they moved away because of its bad reputation Gradually, the decrease in services, coupled with, a by now high turnover of tenancie let house, led to the accretion of demoralised families coming into the scheme and all the stories about Moorparks good-for-nothing population seemed to be justified. My husband also comes from Govan. I remember the following; sitting on the kerb at the mouth of the close playing with the soft tar on the road in the summer with a stick and my mum using melted butter to get the stains of our clothes, playing peever with a shoe polish tin, making up little shows which we all performed in the high backs ,climbing over the pailings, and often getting our knees impaled on the sharp spikes at the top, playing balls against the wall singles and doubles too, climbing onto the steamie roof and jumping onto the pub roof dodging the barbed wire spikes, playing ropes singles and doublers, and swinging on the telephone wires above the low back steamie roof, Summertown Road steamie and baths. It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0 km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick. I lived my early years in Govan on Vicarfield Street opposite St. Gerard's School where many of my older cousins attended, amongst them the McCurrys. Posted on Behalf of Mags Monaghan The "Wine Alley" housing scheme, just off the Broomloan Road, was notorious in Govan and elsewhere in Glasgow as a den of thieves, drunks and drug addicts. My paternal grandfather was an engine keeper for the Phoenix Copper Works, and lived on Brighton Street. Used go there for coffee and listen to juke box. It was dedicated to St Constantine, who had been buried at Govan. Next thing I know, this policeman appeared, he looked like a giant and he asked me what was I doing. 102m The Govan Shed . Naturally the slum dwellers of Govan, who though it their right to have most of the new house in their own locality, were angry and outraged at their expectations being ignored by the authorities. Remember, Charlies sweet shop opposite us, where after playing football we were soaked in sweat, you got a glass of lemonade for threepence. 1 Damer, 1989, (passim), Life in theWine Alley I loved it there we could watch the ships being built and then launched from the bedroom window. I worked in Fairfields in the seventies, does anyone remember the name of the bike shop at the Linthouse end beside the roundabout. I thought you wrote "hides in a fridge and dodges an erection!" . [4] In 1864, Govan gained burgh status, and was the fifth-largest burgh in Scotland. A Victor Harbor businessman is forging ahead with bold plans for a $350m marina, apartment, hotel and convention centre project near The Bluff, despite the local council opposing major development . Many of the people who buy these flats do not intend to stay in them rather; they hope either to rent them out at exorbitant prices or to sell them quickly at a greater price than they bought them for. They were followed there and back by a second surveillance team and the vehicle stopped near Ibrox. Does anyone remember; Sophie, Robert; and Mary,who lived in Carmichael Street, Govan 1936? Zobrazi viac od Sunny Govan Memories na Facebooku. Jimmy's was our local shop and Ruby's was out local bakery which fed the Fairfield's workers. There were two other sporting venues for local residents and workers located in the south of Govan (with no space available in the industrial northern area at the Clyde): White City Stadium and Albion Greyhound Stadium, both now entirely demolished. He also had a shop in Govan Road and he lived at 31 (I think) Copland Road, his name was Robert Reid and he had 2 daughters, Jane my mother and her sister Molly who lived for years in Merryland Street before it was pulled down. However, there is the potential for tourism development, for example, the planned development of the Govan Old site, which hosts the historically significant stone carvings, has led to the development of the surrounding townscape and new infrastructure. I was born 23 Elder Street, Govan in 1943. During the two-week surveillance every addict who called at Burnside's flat for drugs was then arrested by the team and questioned. [20], Traditionally viewed as a lower working-class area, Govan has typically supported the Labour Party, but the Scottish National Party (SNP) has also been strong there. My dad was Boaby Rodgers he got knocked down and killed when I was 3 in 1964 and my mum was left a widow with 4 wee girls. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's My mother and grandfather raised me alongside my two sisters and three brothers and various in-laws who moved in and out of the home through the years. I've looked at several sites like this, in search of a memory or a photo and never found a thing - yet it was a Govan institution. Teraz nie. The church, situated at the west end of the village of Govan, and about 100 yards from the Clyde, was built in 1826, and is a plain structure containing 1096 sittings: the . Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. It was a Magical childhood play area, the closestairs were a Pirate Ship; Hospital; Wee Shop; School, aye in the 1950's we used our imagination rather than computers to stop us being bored! I spent a lot of time at my granny's while growing up I remember we used to get payed for watching the cars when there was a game on at Ibrox. However, as soon as Bishop Loch got permission to build, they immediately decided to cancel the hotel, and double the amount of private houses to a 1,000. Now home to a business park, the Wineywas a working class scheme designed by urban planners with little to no regard for those cut from the labouring class cloth. I can remember having to use the toilet on the landing using a massive key to open the door. 11 a.m.-8 p.m. Monday . If I could I would have bought many! Water was always roasting hot and bath was very deep used to spend hours in it; and who can forget the carbolic soap!!! I was born in 1946 at 16 Elderpark Street, I had 3 brothers; Harry, Robert and Ronnie, we all went to Greenfield Primary school, Harry and Robert also went to Govan High School and we also went to 168th Boys Brigade and lifeboys. Business . 5 Smith, 1992, p. 4 Got in with the wrong crowd in Wine Alley,Govan, Glasgow,(Rab C Nesbitt Country) usual stuff to start with theft,housebreakings(Burglary to those from England), theft of and from motor vehicles, local gang wars etc, then got into some serious crime such as armed robbery, Gun running between Stranraer to Belfast, serious assaults(GBH), . It was the policy that those with low incomes, few housing points or nowhere else to go, could only expect the least attractive housing. I was born in Govan, at home, on Luath Street in 1935. THURSO BERWICK (1919-1981) Hullo! When he had gone, we used to draw pictures in the coal dust on the white sheet on our bed. In the cace of Easterhouse it was the various interested parties of the Eastethoude Community Group who decided to get the authorities to tske notice of their plight by directly intervening their own affairs. My sister and I were born the year before the second world war at Montrose nursing home in Govan. We then moved to a cottage at 112 Golspie Street down the lane, I always remember walking home down the lane, at the bottom of the lane we had a very large wooden gate, which we had to open to get in. One of his best customers was a former police officer who had been thrown out the force due to his heroin addiction. And increase their/your revenues. [9], The earliest references to Govan are found in connection with the Christian church. He lived on Govan Road. I remember a little dog who was hit by a car and people brought him straight in to us. The Murrays were a large family maybe someone remembers them? Contact Us. Galbraith shop opposite Elderpark, they sold us kids a bag of broken biscuits. I lived in Elderpark Street and the Wine Alley. I was born Jan 6th 1951 and brought up in flat above Co-op in Helen Street at Govan Cross, I Went to Harmony Row and Hills Trust Primary schools before moving to Pollok when I was 10 .I have 4 brothers Dave, Bobby, Shuggie, all born in Govan ..and Alastair born in Pollok. For instance; my mother was standing on the banks of the Clyde in 1938, when the Queen Mary was launched. Pipe Band. The planning process commonly involves the juggling of conflicting interests in such a fashion that it is agreeable to all interested parties at least, no one side has to sacrifice itself unjustly. Editors' Code of Practice. There was a chapel in the parish at Partick. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. Wine Alley Govan Kids Southern General Hospital On the Clyde Govan Kvaerner/Fairfield Shipyards Govan Shipyards ( Front gate pics ) The Plaza/Vogue Govan Dry Docks Trams in Govan/ Goods Carriers Inside the Lyceum Bingo/Picture Hall Lyceum Projection Room Lyceum Foyer & Balcony Foyer Lyceum Cinema Balcony Inside The Lyceum Govan Baths Harhill I liked Daddy Boyd although I never had him as a teacher, he was in charge of the rowing club of which I enjoyed many an hour on the Clyde. 3.75/4 3.75 / 4 (0 reviews) Staff Knowledge & Friendliness 4/4. Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard I have memories of buying penny and thrupny canes there to make a bow 'n arrows. 81 Albums for you to enjoy : Bellahouston Academy School Photo's St Saviour's Primary School Photo's Lourdes Primary School Photo's St Gerards School. I screamed blue murder, he wanted to pull my pants down, but no way I letting him do that to me. Napier's Shipyard in Govan was later acquired by William Beardmore and Company in 1876 and incorporated into William Beardmore and Company in around 1900. Community planning began in the rapidly industrialising 19th century cities of Great Britain and America where reformers and well-wishers wanted to ameliorate the appalling living conditions of the working classes. 4 Markus, 1993, p. 161 It would also mean long hours of up to 18 hours day in unpleasant conditions. I lived at 73 Nethan Street, Govan. In fact, Glasgow Corporation was so determined to place many of the cities socially deprived into Moorepark that they even advertised for them in the newspapers. The Old Govan Fair. We sold puppies, kittens, mice, fish and I promise you, they were cleaned and cared for with the tenderest of love and care, and caution was exerted when people tried to buy them. It was great reading all the stories. If his western city is invariably "smoky" and even hellish in aspect, throughout his poem "Edinburgh" the Scottish capital is glimpsed "high in . Been looking at the old pictures of Govan and wondered if anyone remembers my father's Chemist/Optician shop at Govan Cross near Helen St, 830 Govan Road. It was a them and us attitude that persisted right up until the Wine Alley was demolished in the late 1990s. Don't think I enjoyed my time at Govan High, who did but I remember the english teacher Johnny Duncan, Jock Reiburn (maths), who was strict but gave me a good basic knowledge of algebra which stood me in good stead for my future in engineering. I remember living in a single end tenement (1950's) at 77 Nethan Street and the excitement on a Saturday morning when the man delivered the coal in our bunker which was right next to our bed. It is now an industrial estate . History [ edit] You have to take the responsibility for some of that.''. SC 020951 Doublers; Rounders; Kick the Can; Ropes I could go on and on particularly with the little verses we once recited lodged in my brain still! I'm thinking I never whined at them again. Govan (/ v n / GUV-n; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland.It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0 km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick.Historically it was I would like to know if anyone remembers these times. 10 Bailey and Hastings, 2004, p. 91 124m Freshair Salon . I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. When Damer returned to the area in 1989 he found that his earlier report had had two outcomes. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. I had to leave early as I was going to a residential orchestral camp but I was so heartbroken at the shop closing, I didn't want to miss a moment of that last day. James and Catherine moved to Govan from Ireland and lived on Victoria (Neptune) Street and Langlands Road. We all loved living there as Govan was such a great place and had everything you needed, especially four cinemas. The church of Govan was a prebend of Glasgow. Thus, when Renfrewshire was created out of a sheriffdom of Lanarkshire in the early fifteenth century, the lands associated with the hospital (Polmadie) were not technically in the newly created shire, as they were not part of the sheriffdom. Community Centre & Play-Park in the Wine Alley, Govan. I spent 18 months there before being released on a three-year parole where I took a job in the local Cleansing Department as a midgy-man. He was able to give police precise details of the drug operation Burnside was running and the names of his associates. I was born and lived in Harmony Row, 1960, before moving to Drumchapel in 1961. Strange thing is that we carried passengers on some days, these passengers had a dinner on board while we discharged the cargo with most never knowing what was happening. An isolated island of cheap building land, Glasgow Corporation bought the Moorepark land and in 1934 built the Moorepark Housing Estate, a typical Glasgow rehousing scheme of three-storey grey concrete-block tenements. Gary Faulds. Poor Man, he said to my Mother, "the way she's trying to kick me I think her hips are fine". I was the smallest and skinniest one there, there were about 10 of us up on the dyke, they're all shouting at me, so I shouts I'm just gettting ready. Damer (who lived for six months in the scheme) wanted to find out how and why such places came to exist, and what could be done to help them. Later that year Burnside was handed a 12-year prison sentence at the High Court in Glasgow following an 18-day trial, while his three associates got terms of between five and seven years. 6 Markus, 1993, p. 163 He also complained about the abusive term Wine Alley, which was always quoted by officialdom whenever Moorepark scheme came under discussion [10][11], The area was associated with Junior football team St Anthony's who had two grounds in the area. Linthouse and Parkgrove were 19th century senior sides, who fell into decline and are now defunct. In the early medieval period, the site of the present Govan Old churchyard was established as a Christian centre for the Brittonic Kingdom of Alt Clut (Dumbarton Rock) and its successor realm, the Kingdom of Strathclyde. Many of the men worked at the shipyards or the preserves factory. We would also put on a concert in one of the vacant stores that Helen's brother and his wife had access to, the women would make hot peas and vinegar and listen to us all singing and dancing out of sync, but what memories, what sheer fun, I wouldn't trade it for the world today. 9 Goodlad, and Meegan, 2005, p. 188, Community Power in Community Planning We lived in a low-down coal-fire heated home at 9 Lettoch Street and we only ever moved once and that was to the house directly above us. alebo. [12], There is an oddity whereby part of eighteenth-century parish of Govan (which was in Lanarkshire) is counted as being within Renfrewshire. He was lim, dark-haired and kind, probably in his 30s. We went back to Govan until we could get passage, and I attended Bellahouston Academy. I was born and raised at 976 Govan road and remember concerts we used to have round the back for the neighbours and we would make costumes out of crepe paper and sing songs like" oh you beautiful doll you great big beautiful doll". You never forget these things, but what great days and what character building it was. Glasgow Crime Stories: The drug nightmare of Wine Alley. I was attending what was then known as Duns Academy when my father decided to emigrate to Canada. It was only a community concerted campaign, (which included a long rent strike) waged by the various groups of residents, that the Glasgow District Council agreed to re-house all of the remaining tenants. [31], In 1999, GEC's Marconi Marine division purchased the yard when Kvrner announced its departure from the shipbuilding industry. Lesbian actress Raven-Symone showed off her high top fade and her unique backpack at the Los Angeles Premiere of Fox's 'Empire at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome in Hollywood, California. The area was parodied in the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt, though episodes were usually filmed elsewhere. People were in tears when that shop closed and I'm really delighted that I played a small walk-on part in a Govan institution! Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. The answer is 1 authority is necessary because it plays an indispensable mediating role at local and city level through bringing togeth locals and officials. sau. We engraved pet medallions and Jackie let me do it because I had nice handwriting. Fond memories include falling in the Elder Park pond and breaking my collar bone, trying to do the fish and chips, building gang huts in the air-raid shelters and raking the middens. I considered that I did a real job and that what he did for a living was nonsense. Claire Fitzpatrick - I wonder if your Mary is one of our family? I went to Harmony Row school and below is my class photograph from around 1957, I have given the names as far as I remember starting at the back row left. It was followed by an undercover drugs team down the M8, onto the M74 and over the border into England. For (as he says) members of the so-called underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances, and that by becoming involved in social, political and economical activities, the community of any area can organise themselves in such a fashion as to understand that community, or collective power, is real.1 I went to St Anthony's then St Gerard's and was there at the same time as Billy Connolly though he is a year older than me. In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. Next thing, I found myself lying on the ground. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Sometimes on a Sunday we would go over to Kelvingrove and (if memory serves me) run around the suits of armour until we were thrown out of the Art Galleries. I was born in Broomloan Road Ibrox in Govan in 1958. Great times. Went to St. Gerards School from January 1959 to December 1962. He and his pals jumped out and I ran back up three stories screaming. Read More. We had some chalk on us and we wrote on the outside of the lovely red tiles on the wall. I went to St.Constantines Primary School. Community organisation. Does anyone remember the shop or have a picture of it in the background? During fortnight surveillance in February 1989, they discovered that the same gang member had hired his biggest car yet. I now live in Brydekirk village but I'll never forget Govan. Within 10 years, Glasgow Corporations repair and maintenance service to the area had declined noticeably because the Corporation was simply not interested. NGR NS 55416 65081. I was born in Govan in 1948 and lived with my grannie in Vicarfield Street, opposite the school. As I recall they sold very trendy tops marketed as Trendy. Young Young Winey (Govan) (G51) (Moorpark) 'Republican Wine Alley' . Just looking for anybody who new the Paterson, dad george known as Geordie and mum Betty, sisters Elaine, Brenda and brother George. Reading the posts recognised a few names. Both my parents went to Greenfield School then Govan High. In this way they dispelled the idea of the workers being "work-shy" and also wanted to illustrate the long-term viability of the yards. Clyde News. Govan was then one of 15 police divisions in the former Strathclyde Police and accounted for 20% of all homicides in the force. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. We lived in Linthouse at that time, and then we moved to Shaw Street in Govan. Rather than go on strike, which was the traditional form of industrial action, the union leadership of the yards decided to have a work-in and complete the orders that the shipyards had in place. A similar uncertainty existed regarding the nearby lands of Pollokshields and Westends.